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Twitter Me This Road Trip

April 16th, 2008 · Comments

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I made the trip to visit Jim Kukral and chat about the recent Twitter Me This soap opera in person.

I was hoping to clear the air, but when I caught up to him, Jim gave me the Heisman.

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Greg Hoffman 7 months ago 1 point
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The Four Musketeers will never be the same without Good Ole' Jim.

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Sam Harrelson 7 months ago 1 point
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Now who's being rude?

This calls for another puppet vid!

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Scott Jangro 7 months ago 1 point
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so sad.

*sniff*

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andrew wee 7 months ago 1 point
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As an outside observer, i notice the following points:

1) if i was upset with somebody, and they came up to me with a flip (even with the best of intentions), I might not be a happy camper.

2) from the perspective of the happy camper, i'd probably say something like 'if you want to talk about it, turn off the camera OR let's about it man-to-man with the cameras off.

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with the continuing sequences of twits and videos, the situation is kinda taking on loren feldman/shel israel proportions for me.

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pretty dramatic linkbait though, i'm just thinking about the relationships you guys have built up over the years that are gonna bear the brunt of these exchanges.

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Shawn Collins 7 months ago 1 point
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So, what type of camper is Jim?

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Karl D 7 months ago 1 point
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Shawn... you are REALLY stooping now. How old are you? You're acting a complete douche.

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andrew wee 7 months ago 1 point
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i dunno, but i would think of maybe a pissed-off ex-girlfriend as an example.

i think she wouldn't be too happy if i walked up to her with a camera hoping to patch up.

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then again, replying to a offer of an olive branch with a snub doesn't seem something that a video marketer would use, knowing it'd end up on youtube, revver, metacafe and a bajillion other places.

I think it reminds me of Sam's mention of the naked conversations guy (sorry, i didnt read his book nor recall his name), who threatened to send a C&D, rather than do his "naked conversation" thing and establish a conversation.

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Maybe Jim didn't have his breakfast and was too hunger crazed to want to talk to anybody at that point?

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Damn (sorry, Jangro), you guys are expecting me to be a mind reader.......

I'm 14,000 miles away.
My telepathy only works as far as Australia...
Gimme a break...please!
[and lay off portraying me with any naked puppets, sam.....]

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Shawn Collins 7 months ago 1 point
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Karl D -

I am stooping by reaching out for chat? Interesting.

Olive branch = douche?

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Jason 7 months ago 1 point
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Karl D is right.

You are losing serious respect from other industry professionals.

Video camera in the face of someone in the middle of eating dinner with friends and colleagues = douche.

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andrew wee 7 months ago 1 point
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Unless you have some agenda that you're going to share with us, I don't see how calling someone names on their own blog is supposed to do anything.

Calling someone a "douche" reflects more on your lack of upbringing more than anything else.

So you might want to think before you speak or type comments in the future.

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Dave Oliver 7 months ago 1 point
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Shawn and Sam were both business partners with Jim, espcially Shawn who had Jim MC Affiliate Summit.

1) if this is *real* that I'm surprised that Shawn would not expect this kind of reaction? Being a critic is one thing....but opening criticizing and mocking a business partner? C'mon, what would you expect?

I wonder what Shawn's reaction would have been if Jim came out and said Affiliate Summit is bad for the industry, is ripping people off and should be boycotted?

I wonder how Sam would have reacted if Jim came out with videos talking about how Big Idea Agency was just small ideas....terrible for the industry, and people shouldn't have anything to do with it.

Honestly, I *used* to have a great deal of respect for Sam Harrelson. I thought he was one of the more positive forces in this industry, but this childishness with the twattermethat. C'mon, Sam is certainly no 1938media.com and should not even try to be.

I think twittermethis is kind of silly myself, and I still have to think this is some kind of viral marketing stunt cooked up by the three of them. Even though I think twittermethis is nonsense, because the sheer uncouthness, indiscretion and immaturity shown in the whole anti-Jim campaign has got me scratching my head.

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Sam Harrelson 7 months ago 1 point
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Dave-

I've never been a business partner with Jim or Shawn. GeekCast is a project we all work (or worked I guess) on, but it's not a business by any means.

I'm also not trying to be Loren here. He's Loren enough for everyone. I just thought I'd have some fun voicing my criticism of TwitterMeThis (with an ironic twist given the puppet fascination people have these days) instead of doing yet another blog post that no one will read. It's gotten people talking and thinking, so I've gotten my point across.

Marketing is uncomfortable sometimes. Doesn't make anyone a better or a worse person... remember this is showbusiness, not showfriends.

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Shawn Collins 7 months ago 1 point
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Dave -

Just as Sam said, I have not been a partner of either of them.

Jim was the Emcee of Affiliate Summit in February and he is scheduled for the next one, but that's not a partnership.

I don't think I ever stated or insinuated that Jim was ripping anybody off.

Rather I think he's doing something that's a bad use of Twitter.

I don't see a parallel of the prospect of Jim criticizing Affiliate Summit (I love and invite criticism - it improves the product) to my criticizing Twitter Me This.

I've never been a supporter of Twitter Me This.

I like Jim and most of his projects. I don't like this one, and I think I would be doing him a disservice if I smiled and told him it was great.

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Dave Oliver 7 months ago 1 point
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Ok semantics of "business relationship" aside, you were "co-involved venture participants".

Shawn, there are more ways on voicing delivering criticism than public campaign of criticism vs. smile and say it's great.

If your reacted to me negatively in person over my "criticism" of you here, would I be surprised or be questioning? No....

Likewise, if you were like, "hey dude, what's up?" and shook my hand....I wouldn't be surprised either and I'd embrace it.

You delivered some pretty strong criticism, publicly, of a guy you had some kind of "relationship" with. Expect people to be like....dude you’re an XXXX.

Actually the whole thing…it’s all so juvenile….but I just can’t resist a debate.

Sam - what point exactly did you get across? If you wanted to do a puppet show...ok fine: do a puppet show. You CHOSE to make the puppet represent Jim himself. You mimicked/mocked his speech pattern. Sam, slice it and dice it however you want....it smells like a personal attack to me. It was an attempt to marginalize Jim personally in regard to his twittermethis service.

Now Sam, what did you accomplish? In actuality, just because of your approach, you probably drove many people to EMBRACE twittermethis that would have otherwise ignored it completely. I wonder if Jim realizes this.

You expressed to me on twitter that people are missing the point. What was the point?

a) Were you just trying to get people to talk about it? (SUCCESS)

b) Were you trying to help Jim out by being contrarian and being so negative you drive some people to embrace his service? (SUCCESS)

c) Were you trying to publicize a silly concept and give more attention to it thus more popularity to it? (SUCCESS)

d) Were you trying to deliver an OBJECTIVE and CONVINCING yet entertaining criticism of the service itself? (FAIL)

Sam, it smells like a personal attack. Many people see it this way. Marketing is uncomfortable....ok...but you seemed to choose the low road here. What you accomplished in real terms is probably not what you intended (unless this all turns out to be some scheme). Generally, that’s what happens when you take the low road.

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Karl D 7 months ago 1 point
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@ Andrew Wee, First of all I said he was ACTING like a douche because he is.

@Shawn, Fair enough you "wanted to clear the air" but in posting the video, you deliberately went out of your way to make Jim look bad. You WANTED to mock him publicly. It's having the opposite effect.

I don't know Jim nor have I had any contact with him but I applaud him taking the high road and not stooping to what you are doing.

What exactly is your point in all this? What am I missing? What exactly were you trying to achieve by posting this video? Honestly?

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Karl D 7 months ago 1 point
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Oh, and one more thing... I respect the fact that you are not filtering my comments :) I'll give you that one.

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Shawn Collins 7 months ago 1 point
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Karl -

My point in reaching out to Jim via Twitter, video, etc. was to get his attention, because "conventional" methods were not working.

Ultimately, it may have been a ham handed approach, but I just had a nice lunch with Jim.

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